we've got to deal with education. we have to deal with deficit reduction. we are not going to be able to do what the american people want if we have to get 60 votes. and as a result of that agreement, we're going to continue to have to get 60 votes. and that's why i voted against it. >> isn't mr. mcconnell showing it's going to be the same attitude? he beat the liberals. >> no, i think it will. look, here is what has happened. historically, there was a gentleman's agreement in the senate, and that is that you will not use the filibuster requiring 60 votes unless it was something really you felt very passionately about. when lyndon johnson was majority leader, he had to use cloture on one occasion. since obama has been president, reid has had to use it hundreds of times. in other words, the republicans have changed the rules. any significant piece of legislation now requires 60 votes. you can't govern effectively under those conditions. what we should have said, if you want to oppose something, go to the floor. talk and talk and talk. but when you're finishe